NEW YORK – Billy Joel attributes Phil Ramone as integral to his success, so it seems fitting he would induct the legendary producer into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in New York.

Joel says Ramone guided him on a lot of songs that may not have been hits. He says he takes Ramone's advice because he knows what he's talking about.

Ramone was honored Thursday night with the Hitmaker Award, tailored for those responsible for a number of hit songs over an extended period.

Ramone says he's always been fascinated by Joel.

Their relationship began with Joel's 1977 breakout album, "The Stranger."